Luann said she felt like Sonja needed her and she was trying to 'mentor' her, which Bethenny could not accept. Is that what you think about me Bethenny?
Took offense: Luann mentioned how she was Sonja Morgan's mentor and Bethenny found that hilarious. Bethenny then said Luann being Sonja's mentor was like Courtney Love being Luann's mentor before venting her fury on Sonja and her new liquor brand 'Tipsy Girl. It was the trying to get one over on me with a name that is similar and being cute and using me to get press,' said an annoyed Bethenny. Not worried: Bethenny said she wasn't worried about Sonja's brand but was offended she tried to get one over on her.
Business woman: Sonja was not invited to the party and Luann tried to stick up for her. Ran with it: Luann reminded Bethenny how they came up with the Skinnygirl name together. But Bethenny was not backing down and would give her absolutely no credit. Took a break: Bethenny took a sip before she retorted while Jules Wainstein stayed way clear of the conflict. Earlier Dorinda had told Sonja over a Central Park walk that she was not invited on the girls trip to her country home.
Park walk: Dorinda Medley took Sonja for a walk around Central Park and then broke the news that she wasn't invited to the girls trip to her country home. I will not do those conversations with you, we are all adults and we all have our own problems. I do not need to lecture you,' she began. I'm not doing it now. That hurts: Sonja sucked it up as Dorinda said she wasn't invited due to her 'vulnerable position' with the group. And you need to let me finish so you understand it as a whole.
I feel like right now you're in sort of a vulnerable position and these girls sometimes gang up,' Dorinda continued. Sonja agreed but griped to the cameras about the situation. Wasn't Ramona the one behaving badly at your party? Why is she invited? Besides the girls love me at parties as I am always the one making out with everyone.
Why are you worried about me? The smoking gun here is Bethenny because she is the only one I am on the outs with. So is she more worried about sucking up to Bethenny because it looks like she is choosing sides here?
Luann also brought her new boyfriend, Tom, to a dinner with the girls and partners. Luann admitted that Tom had once gone out with Ramona and that he still liked her as a friend. Tom and Luann then recounted how they had been introduced, with Tom saying he had been put on a phone with Luann at a party by Dorinda, and that they had taken it from there.
Dorinda's boyfriend John also was at the dinner and halted Tom's story about courting Luann with an awkward question. Horrible question: Dorinda's boyfriend John interrupted Tom's story and asked a ridiculous question. Luann told the women that Sonja was upset at being excluded. You hurt her feelings. Girlfriends don't do that,' Luann told the cameras. I ended up meeting incredible people — not from being an actress.
That was the most powerless gig you could ever have. You have no power over anything. You're looked down on because you seem like you must be desperate. People know you don't have any money, and you're not in medical school or working in a job where you have any upward mobility. You're just a person who's asking somebody else for something, at all times, and I'm not into that.
You're always auditioning to get somebody to like you and try to be something that somebody else wants you to be. Feloni: What attracted you specifically to the entertainment world, as opposed to having power in, say, Wall Street or something like that? Frankel: I didn't know anything about Wall Street. I didn't know anything about numbers. For years people have told me I would have been an excellent trader.
But I didn't know anything about it. I had no interest in it. I would have been a great lawyer, but I didn't want to go to school for more years. I didn't want to be a doctor. Entertainment seemed like something. I had some access there. I had some connection to LA. I didn't have a big plan. This wasn't a big plan. How did that come about? Frankel: I fought to get on "The Apprentice," because I had made a bet with somebody who said to me that there's this show with Donald Trump, and these people, and they're competing, and they're selling lemonade, and there's these tasks that you do.
I said, "Oh my God, I would be great on that show. What is that show? You're not getting on that show. You would never get on that show. At this time I'd created Bethenny Bakes, which was a wheat-egg-and-dairy-cookie company, because I was a natural-food chef working at a restaurant in New York. I didn't know how to tape myself, and I said to my partner, "Can you go buy the least expensive, lightest video camera, and can you videotape me?
I went through the process of trying to get on "The Apprentice" seasons two and three, which I did not make, and I kept in touch with the casting people without annoying them. I just kept connecting with them, and evidently they were saving me for the Martha Stewart "Apprentice.
And I was broke; I needed the job. Feloni: When you're looking to get here, did you see this as an opportunity to get on television, sell products — or that this would just be a chance to get things going? Frankel: I think the Trump "Apprentice" was about the hustle. Just "I'm a hustler, and I think I would be good at that. Then when it got down to being Martha Stewart, I wanted to democratize health the way that she did style.
I wanted to be a natural-food chef. I wanted to be a chef on television. I was very specific about what I wanted to do. This was me planning to monetize what I do, long before anybody has ever done that.
Everybody was just there to win the money, but nobody was talking about what they were doing, and their dreams and hopes, or some product, or anything. That was like an unknown concept, which makes no sense, because I can't imagine exposing yourself to reality TV and that kind of scrutiny and just drama and just toxic behavior without having an upside. Frankel: Not at all.
Then I used it as the driest sponge to try to squeeze out the liquid of it for a little bit of press and something. It's not that easy. It was, "Oh, I've cooked for Paris and Nicky. It was me trying to really work this thing, because no one was getting any press from it. My big moment was I got a segment with Hoda about your food personality, the emotionality of food. I did that on the "Today" show.
I had my cards. I was so prepared. Now I don't prepare for anything. I did the segment. It seemed like it went well. I passed out, which I don't ever even sleep. I was just so prepared, and my brain just went into overtime.
Frankel: No. I just came home and I slept. I just don't ever sleep. I passed out for a nap. That's just not my personality. Then I was just always hustling.
I was hustling my cookies, and hustling trying to be a chef, trying to get on the Food Network. I was at the sport event Polo in the Hamptons, and someone came up to me and said, "Here, we're trying to look for a fifth wife. The production company was happy with the four that they had. They had already started filming.
Bravo said, "We're not going to film them. We're not going to continue the show, and the show will get shut down unless you find the fifth. Then, on that day, they said that the producers were there. They ran into me. And I had a boyfriend that we weren't even close to getting married, and I wasn't close to having kids.
They met me, and they wanted me. It was so funny because I was nothing like any of the other women and nothing like any of the mandate for who to cast.
They pursued me; I said no. A month later, I said it's not that easy to get on television, and maybe I should give this a try. Because if no one watches, then no one will care. If everyone watches, then it could be a success. I am a natural-food chef, and I did want to get on the Food Network, but maybe this is some sort of circuitous route. So I thought what the hell. In the meantime, Andy Cohen was against it, because they didn't want someone who had preexisting television experience.
Now they'll put actresses on, but at that time he wasn't into it. Frankel: He was an executive producer. He was a development executive at the time. He was against it because he just thought that we don't want somebody who's already been on television.
That casting tape must have been pretty compelling because they put me on anyway. Frankel: I didn't want to be on the show. I didn't want to be on the show. I thought it was going to be a bunch of drunk people acting crazy and a disaster. It was, because at that time, people didn't do two reality shows. You wouldn't be on "The Apprentice" and then be on that show. Now it's like you could do 10 reality shows. At that time, that was like, "Wait, this loser is doing that reality show, then this reality show?
She's now the reality-show girl. I wanted to be credible. I wanted to be on a cooking show, about being a natural-food chef. But I thought it's not that easy to get on television and find a platform to monetize what you're doing. Over here, maybe I can focus on the fact that I'm a natural-food chef, and something just told me — something just told me to try it.
I remember where I was in the Hamptons. I can remember like it was yesterday. I remember looking at the contract. I remember crossing out where it said that I would give any part of any of my business.
The only thing I said was I'm not giving any of my business. I'll do it, I'll get paid whatever, but I'm not giving anything that I ever do, which became the Bethenny clause, which is now called the Bethenny clause. Frankel: The show had no budget. There was no budget, and people don't get paid a lot when they go on reality television.
A lot more than that now — probably if you start you can get 10 times that. But it was an unproven concept. There was one "Orange County Housewives" show that had fine, average ratings. Feloni: When you signed that, were you just saying, "This is my chance to sell my products to a large audience"?
Frankel: No, I wasn't. I was just signing it, and I was just doing it. The man that I was with said to me, "You shouldn't be filming it all when you're not cooking. It's about a lot more than food.
I made a conscious decision. I remember that call to my friend at the time, saying, "What do I do? Do I not discuss that? Do I not do this?
It was before even the first episode was made. I just decided if I'm doing this, I owe it to this audience to be honest and open about everything and just go for it. I was totally honest and open about everything, and I went for it. Feloni: How can you be authentic when you have a camera crew around you and you have producers trying to follow a narrative? Frankel: Well, the producers aren't in the same room. You do have cameras — but I've been doing this for so long. I did it on "The Apprentice.
They don't even speak to you. You're literally props. You get used to that sort of skill set. Maybe I'm different because of that. That was like boot-camp training, just "cameras do not exist.
Frankel: I never think about the cameras. I just don't. I'm used to it. It's just a weird skill set. I feel totally natural with it, and it's always truthful.
From my perspective, it's always real. It's not manufactured. It's just what's going on. But it's what's going on within those people. You know what I mean? People will say, "Oh, is it real? Would you really have that conversation? But if I weren't in this room with you, I wouldn't have this exact conversation either.
And then came the success. The company grew faster than anyone — even Frankel — could have envisioned. Women everywhere embraced the idea of the Skinnygirl margarita.
Just because she sold the company to premium-spirits powerhouse Beam Inc. It was an incredibly smart business move, and Beam let her remain very involved in the company — which was important to Frankel. It was an intelligent decision and an indicator of how much of a success her company had become. What had started as an idea in her kitchen had grown into an extremely popular and coveted brand. Everything the brand puts out there is great tasting and low calorie, too.
You can sip and socialize with Skinnygirl without all the guilt.
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